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peterp

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« Reply #16 on: Aug 05, 2014, 09:38:24 »
Ah yes, I forgot to mention that...the metal pieces.
In old times, Chinese porcelain used metal fittings only to mend mend or modify damaged items, making them again usable.
How are the metal pieces supposed to be attached to the porcelain?  Modern glues were not available until far into the 20th century. Even European glues of the 19th century were very basic, some even containing cheese. Any fittings would need some mechanical way of attaching. It would require drilling of holes for each metal piece, which could effectively cause a leak in the vase.
But, this item looks as if the pieces were glued on.

peterp

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« Reply #15 on: Aug 05, 2014, 07:06:25 »
Yes, that bamboo is right, but yours is like stars, there is no bamboo like that. Again an example how some people cannot see the subtle differences in painting.

Export permit? There were never export permits required until the PRC, so way into the second half of the 20th century anyway. However, if you are talking about a brown or red wax seal, that is issued to contemporary products too. The only thing it does is to let customs know that it can be exported. If the vase were from the period it tries to fake then it could not be exported - in other words there would be no permit. How about letting us a look at that too. Why do you not post bottom pictures and other details? Do you want to sell this as antique?

Stan

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« Reply #14 on: Aug 05, 2014, 06:29:16 »
Hi Aarre, shipped out from china in april 2014 and under the bottom an export permit, I am confused, dose that mean that the permit was issued in 1921 and  then never exported or dose that mean that it was exported and brought back, or dose that mean that they finally exported it in 2014, well any way the last I checked, China is not exporting any of their antique any more, any thing that is 50 years and older can not be exported anymore.

Aarre

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« Reply #13 on: Aug 05, 2014, 01:40:27 »
three frend...

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details/collection_image_gallery.aspx?partid=1&assetid=389089&objectid=3181338

Aarre

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« Reply #12 on: Aug 05, 2014, 01:13:30 »
Yes! I too was ready to swear, this is not a Chinese vase, but it is :) .... this vase is shipped out from China in April 2014, and under the bottom of an export permit stamp in the year 1921., I do not think that it has been transported to China in the past ;)

Anyway, the object is now the Material Inspection and await with interest the analysis, the article of manufacture purpose I have not received yet any good answer, I think I get one later. Who knows even if Skifi ;)

shelley Kong

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« Reply #11 on: Aug 04, 2014, 22:50:30 »
It's funnu that I am nearly 90% accurate when judging if something is Chinese or not. And when I make the mistake of saying something is not Chinese, the object turns out to be Chinese export porcelain.

peterp

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« Reply #10 on: Aug 04, 2014, 21:20:58 »
A fantasy product, I'm afraid. This is not anything traditional. It could even be that this was not painted in China. The decoration does not look like a regular picture of the three friends of winter. I would think that most people in the Far East would know how bamboo looks, really, and would paint it in a more natural way.

Aarre

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« Reply #9 on: Aug 04, 2014, 19:19:48 »
Hi Peterp& Co.

I hope this image will help the analysis.

Aarre

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« Reply #8 on: Aug 04, 2014, 16:24:53 »
Hi Selley! Style of painting is an ancient Chinese tree three friends in winter.

shelley Kong

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« Reply #7 on: Aug 04, 2014, 15:22:07 »
From my limited knowledge, I feel that the painting of the star like flowers is not ancient and the bead studded style makes it look suspicious.

peterp

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« Reply #6 on: Aug 04, 2014, 08:11:32 »
With only a partial picture, how could we guess what it is for?

Aarre

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« Reply #5 on: Aug 04, 2014, 00:52:57 »
Hi Stan thanks! You're absolutely right, right to left, the third character is different.

I'm more interested in the vase purpose, what is this made of? the tomb of a gift, a gift to the heads of the Chinese or Arabs, maybe?

Stan

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« Reply #4 on: Aug 03, 2014, 05:29:22 »
Hi Aarre, everyone of the marks on the web site you gave is written correctly, except yours.

Aarre

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« Reply #3 on: Aug 03, 2014, 01:55:55 »
Hello Stan!

Thank you for your comment, this character, I'm not inspected it yet in detail.
I am more interested in a vase intended use / production, is made of a type, or the tomb of the war, because of a tribute.

Below is one of the web page address, XuanDe mark

Best Regards

Aarre

http://www.teadust.com/edu/marks/MarksB.htm

Stan

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« Reply #2 on: Aug 02, 2014, 22:47:23 »
Hi Aarre, the Characters read Made during the Xuande ring of the great Ming dynasty, but the character from the left to right the third character is not written correctly, in my book it shows the mark with 2 squares and a line under it and yours clearly has 3 squares and a line, Im doubt full that this is even Chinese.